1 00:00:04,750 --> 00:00:08,410 In the millennium process, Frie Palmers charged with two murders. 2 00:00:08,550 --> 00:00:11,790 Her best friend Brechtje Findervogel, 18 years ago, and her 3 00:00:11,790 --> 00:00:14,670 daughter Roos. I know who Brechtje Vindervogel killed. 4 00:00:14,970 --> 00:00:19,650 Now if I want to tell you that Frie both my daughter as her own daughter would 5 00:00:19,650 --> 00:00:23,130 murdered, yes, that is possible with me not in. Come on, Brechtje, you need him 6 00:00:23,130 --> 00:00:23,948 say that. 7 00:00:23,950 --> 00:00:24,950 Know late. 8 00:00:26,130 --> 00:00:29,470 We are thirteen years after the fact. All pieces come to a dead end. 9 00:00:30,970 --> 00:00:33,670 I haven't found any earth evidence against it givenists. 10 00:00:33,950 --> 00:00:35,590 We can't catch him if client. 11 00:00:35,850 --> 00:00:39,230 I give you a loan and you run from Ester into a bin. 12 00:00:41,510 --> 00:00:42,510 Delphine Spijkers. 13 00:00:42,850 --> 00:00:47,070 How are we going to do with the guests now? They go until six after security and then 14 00:00:47,070 --> 00:00:51,850 Gabriel picks up on that. My boss, who wants just in your pants. Yes, Mike has 15 00:00:51,850 --> 00:00:54,490 actually I'd rather not have you children running. Will that fail? 16 00:00:54,730 --> 00:00:57,630 He was the first to be drawn, so he is head of the jury. 17 00:00:57,990 --> 00:00:59,070 Then read that once. 18 00:00:59,370 --> 00:01:01,090 It's from the CLB for Juliette. 19 00:01:03,370 --> 00:01:05,450 You just have to listen at school. 20 00:01:05,790 --> 00:01:06,790 Are you the guy? 21 00:01:07,470 --> 00:01:08,550 I don't like knowing that. 22 00:01:10,770 --> 00:01:12,430 I really need to get rid of that house. 23 00:01:12,930 --> 00:01:14,330 But not under my surname. 24 00:01:15,890 --> 00:01:17,110 I don't think that's possible. 25 00:01:17,330 --> 00:01:18,330 That's lying, isn't it? 26 00:01:18,450 --> 00:01:20,190 But yes, would you say all that? 27 00:01:22,470 --> 00:01:24,030 Doesn't he still come home to you? 28 00:01:25,310 --> 00:01:26,630 Come visit sometime. 29 00:01:26,970 --> 00:01:27,970 What a guy. 30 00:01:28,470 --> 00:01:30,790 If you don't want to talk about money, Fabrice... 31 00:01:31,210 --> 00:01:32,770 Then I don't say anything about the jury. 32 00:01:32,990 --> 00:01:34,490 And I still have something about that Holly. 33 00:01:35,190 --> 00:01:37,630 I have my father's construction company taken over. 34 00:01:38,190 --> 00:01:41,510 That's a million euros, Björn. That there hangs at the top of such a cup. That's it 35 00:01:41,510 --> 00:01:42,510 divisum. 36 00:01:42,830 --> 00:01:44,050 Björn, come. 37 00:01:44,470 --> 00:01:46,270 That person needs an ambulance. 38 00:01:47,350 --> 00:01:49,070 Okay? That's not legal. 39 00:02:01,100 --> 00:02:04,280 I never had a driver's license again. But I pass there every day. Why are we going? 40 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:05,280 not jaw pooling? 41 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:06,920 But that's a good plan. 42 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:15,520 I don't know that either. 43 00:02:17,620 --> 00:02:20,200 They're just standing here with mine warrant. 44 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,980 No, Angel, listen. I'm telling you. I don't know that either. 45 00:02:26,700 --> 00:02:28,540 Guard. I'll call back later. 46 00:02:34,350 --> 00:02:36,830 Sorry, but I had something for you in advance want to let you know. 47 00:02:37,190 --> 00:02:38,049 Too late. 48 00:02:38,050 --> 00:02:39,050 What's the point, man? 49 00:02:40,870 --> 00:02:42,310 Chief Inspector Pasquale is now the chief. 50 00:02:42,550 --> 00:02:44,630 There are new testimonials in one file. 51 00:02:46,450 --> 00:02:47,470 About the Givanists? 52 00:02:48,850 --> 00:02:50,750 It's not as simple as we think thought. 53 00:02:52,450 --> 00:02:55,570 They think I'm not thorough enough have been. 54 00:02:55,810 --> 00:02:57,810 I think we will all serve there. 55 00:02:59,950 --> 00:03:02,030 You promised me that givanists went to grab. 56 00:03:02,700 --> 00:03:04,000 I'll pay you back everything. 57 00:03:05,980 --> 00:03:09,480 Gentleman wants to be involved in his own affairs invest, but not in the mine. 58 00:03:10,460 --> 00:03:11,660 Yes, what can I do, Mark? 59 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:23,880 Vincent. 60 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,800 Yes, I am... But I can inform you. 61 00:04:06,060 --> 00:04:08,720 There's a chicken buried in your coop. Lies who has been there long? 62 00:04:13,860 --> 00:04:14,860 Two weeks. 63 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:16,800 That died two weeks ago. 64 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,920 Burial of a pet is allowed only if the well is half a meter deep 65 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,340 is. Respect for animals does not stop there a death, eh, sir? 66 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,700 Has nothing against our dog take a look around? 67 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:35,700 Do you know this girl? 68 00:04:39,020 --> 00:04:40,540 Rose. You know her. 69 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:41,780 That's Free's daughter. 70 00:04:42,580 --> 00:04:45,660 Mrs. Palmers was recently caught kidnapping her daughter. 71 00:04:48,380 --> 00:04:50,000 Is Rose okay? Yes. 72 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,820 She is now back with her father. He has the full right. 73 00:04:55,980 --> 00:04:59,320 Is it true that Mrs. Palmers has one here stayed for a while after your daughter 74 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:00,320 disappeared? 75 00:05:01,620 --> 00:05:02,620 Yes. 76 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,000 She slept in Brecht's bed. 77 00:05:06,500 --> 00:05:07,860 Can you show us that camera? 78 00:05:42,190 --> 00:05:43,190 Yes. 79 00:08:16,330 --> 00:08:17,330 What's happening? 80 00:08:19,990 --> 00:08:20,990 Mark? 81 00:08:22,510 --> 00:08:23,770 I'm going to sell that house again. 82 00:08:25,310 --> 00:08:26,870 That's not a house here, that's a cemetery. 83 00:08:30,210 --> 00:08:31,570 What if the cops are right? 84 00:08:32,990 --> 00:08:36,450 That Brechtje is constantly on that one crawling attic has been crawling. 85 00:08:37,110 --> 00:08:38,429 Why don't I want to believe that? 86 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:50,800 I want to calm down. 87 00:09:28,490 --> 00:09:32,350 Holly will become the Meulenmeester internally replaced as head of the jury? 88 00:09:32,590 --> 00:09:36,750 According to our sources, something broke out the jury members then had a heated discussion 89 00:09:36,750 --> 00:09:38,370 her name change became known. 90 00:09:38,630 --> 00:09:42,990 I will report back during the day about it on noofbords.be. 91 00:09:46,410 --> 00:09:47,410 Juliette? 92 00:09:49,110 --> 00:09:50,110 Juliette? 93 00:09:52,730 --> 00:09:54,210 It's way too early. 94 00:09:54,450 --> 00:09:57,310 No, my room says to you. My room. 95 00:09:59,050 --> 00:10:00,450 Say, what's happening? 96 00:10:00,810 --> 00:10:02,130 Sorry, I had to go in. 97 00:10:02,370 --> 00:10:05,490 She is already feeling fat again watching that horror stuff. 98 00:10:05,690 --> 00:10:06,750 She has to study. 99 00:10:07,970 --> 00:10:10,370 Who gave her that Triangle brochure? torn? 100 00:10:10,850 --> 00:10:11,850 I. 101 00:10:12,270 --> 00:10:15,670 CLB simply said it is the best that we test Juliette for autism. 102 00:10:16,170 --> 00:10:18,990 I googled that once. Our daughter is not a freak. 103 00:10:20,330 --> 00:10:23,130 Honey, it can't hurt to agree to go to that center. 104 00:10:25,270 --> 00:10:27,610 Don't convince me. I'm going to the consolation ball. 105 00:10:27,930 --> 00:10:28,930 To court. 106 00:10:29,690 --> 00:10:31,810 It's Thursday. Go from then on we free. 107 00:10:32,130 --> 00:10:36,630 But come to the match anyway, right? Yes, yes. 108 00:10:37,110 --> 00:10:38,110 Juliette, you too, right? 109 00:10:50,890 --> 00:10:51,809 Good morning, Arnold. 110 00:10:51,810 --> 00:10:52,810 Everthing okay? 111 00:10:55,140 --> 00:10:58,800 Sorry about tonight. I hope we don't made too much noise. 112 00:10:59,560 --> 00:11:00,760 You can say that, Arnold. 113 00:11:01,780 --> 00:11:04,760 If you must know, it was too much. I didn't sleep. 114 00:11:05,580 --> 00:11:06,580 Sorry, I know. 115 00:11:07,020 --> 00:11:08,020 Not the first time. 116 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,000 Yes, that's true. 117 00:11:10,220 --> 00:11:12,700 Sorry. That's right. But we're going for it pay attention. 118 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,940 Arnold, do you see that you may be sitting down? put those bottles in the glass container 119 00:11:17,940 --> 00:11:20,140 throw? I'm not very good at that. 120 00:11:20,460 --> 00:11:21,540 It would be useful. 121 00:11:24,300 --> 00:11:25,400 That woman can do that, right? 122 00:11:26,780 --> 00:11:28,600 Yes, all the years ever. 123 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:39,600 It's in the field, boy. 124 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:57,580 Hey, you're hot, Arnold! 125 00:11:58,580 --> 00:12:00,120 Hey! Hey, Arnold! 126 00:12:00,580 --> 00:12:01,580 Hey, Arnold. Hey. 127 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,360 Ça va? 128 00:12:10,820 --> 00:12:12,420 Do you think it's fair that I don't say much? today? 129 00:12:13,980 --> 00:12:14,980 No. 130 00:12:17,980 --> 00:12:18,980 Is everything okay? 131 00:12:25,710 --> 00:12:29,790 Sometimes I feel like I'm in a other period was much happier. 132 00:12:35,510 --> 00:12:36,950 Do you want to talk about it? 133 00:12:38,970 --> 00:12:40,070 Don't know. 134 00:12:46,490 --> 00:12:49,290 Maybe you would be better off with someone else chosen to ride. 135 00:12:50,350 --> 00:12:51,930 But no, of course not. 136 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,260 I'll put a music button. 137 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,880 And then we remain silent until the court. 138 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,080 Mary. 139 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:19,760 Mary. That button is broken. My headpa has that here. Where's your mom? 140 00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:21,300 Our mom is next. 141 00:13:21,790 --> 00:13:23,250 I need our man. 142 00:13:23,450 --> 00:13:25,090 He even ends it. She's coming to offer. 143 00:13:25,330 --> 00:13:28,190 It's always hanging on my ears. Like me They don't think I need them 144 00:13:28,190 --> 00:13:29,290 responsible. She comes up for bid. 145 00:13:30,090 --> 00:13:31,090 Here. 146 00:13:32,610 --> 00:13:33,610 Dad. 147 00:13:35,450 --> 00:13:36,510 Here is our mother. 148 00:13:39,850 --> 00:13:40,850 Don't you know that too? 149 00:13:41,410 --> 00:13:43,050 Come on, you shouldn't be late stay. 150 00:13:44,010 --> 00:13:45,010 Yes, I know. 151 00:13:46,230 --> 00:13:47,230 She's dead. 152 00:13:50,170 --> 00:13:51,190 Sometimes. Sometimes. 153 00:13:51,829 --> 00:13:53,830 Sometimes my head really doesn't work anymore. 154 00:14:03,750 --> 00:14:04,750 Mr Boks? 155 00:14:06,910 --> 00:14:08,430 Would you stand up, please? 156 00:14:13,010 --> 00:14:16,390 I assume most people here this morning that video of Mr. Boks 157 00:14:16,390 --> 00:14:17,390 have seen? 158 00:14:19,020 --> 00:14:21,220 On which source within the jury are you basing your decision? themselves? 159 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,160 Excuse me, Madam Chairman, but that is professional. 160 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,300 Men, the press, that doesn't work spoken. 161 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,140 Who says I'm with someone from the jury have spoken? 162 00:14:32,340 --> 00:14:34,100 I got that article from you sucked. 163 00:14:34,340 --> 00:14:38,080 I'm just reporting on the fact that there is there was a discussion within the jury about the 164 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:39,600 name change of Mrs. Keusters. 165 00:14:41,540 --> 00:14:42,540 And is that so? 166 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:45,400 Yes. 167 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:51,740 Look. You were always allowed to have one with each other appoint a new head of the jury. 168 00:14:52,660 --> 00:14:56,720 But that was already decided yesterday Mrs Keusters is not asked. 169 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,620 The press leak itself is much worse. 170 00:15:01,020 --> 00:15:05,420 In the event of such a press leak, the defense has reason enough to go to the Court of 171 00:15:05,420 --> 00:15:08,320 to go to cassation. And the whole process to have it done again. 172 00:15:09,380 --> 00:15:14,880 Do all parties agree that we continue this process despite this press leak 173 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:15,880 continue? 174 00:15:24,810 --> 00:15:25,810 Master Spaak? 175 00:15:34,590 --> 00:15:35,590 Agree. 176 00:15:38,730 --> 00:15:41,290 I assume I do things like that don't read anymore. 177 00:15:44,150 --> 00:15:45,270 You may sit down. 178 00:15:46,390 --> 00:15:48,230 The first witness may enter. 179 00:15:49,490 --> 00:15:50,490 Gerard. 180 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,460 My wife had leukemia for two years. The treatment did not work. 181 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:08,260 And then they got her an experimental one offered treatment that had been tested for 182 00:16:08,260 --> 00:16:13,540 monkeys. But she was against it on principle medical tests on animals. So she has 183 00:16:13,540 --> 00:16:16,480 did not take that treatment. 184 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:20,880 She couldn't take anymore. 185 00:16:21,620 --> 00:16:23,260 And shortly afterwards she died. 186 00:16:24,860 --> 00:16:26,800 And how did Brettje react to that? 187 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:32,040 He really blamed me for that Christine supported with that 188 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:33,040 decision. 189 00:16:34,020 --> 00:16:36,980 Also that first January when she... disappeared? 190 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,800 No, that wasn't what the argument was about. 191 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:42,400 Ah. 192 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:43,840 About what? 193 00:16:45,780 --> 00:16:48,600 Brechtje said she wanted to go living together with her love. 194 00:16:50,260 --> 00:16:52,800 So with Stefan. I didn't like that. 195 00:16:54,580 --> 00:16:55,960 And that she expected too. 196 00:16:59,900 --> 00:17:04,140 What do you mean? There were whole race arguments at, as if she had been feeling for weeks 197 00:17:04,140 --> 00:17:05,140 prepared. 198 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,720 And how did you explain that to her? made? 199 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:12,300 I just left. I had to go a demonstration. 200 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,160 We had a peaceful day that day demonstration. 201 00:17:17,099 --> 00:17:21,260 Mr. Vindervogel, peacefully, you can Call that difficult? That was in every 202 00:17:21,260 --> 00:17:22,260 case the intention. 203 00:17:23,410 --> 00:17:26,990 So you were on that one all afternoon manifestation of your 204 00:17:26,990 --> 00:17:28,369 animal rights organization. 205 00:17:29,070 --> 00:17:31,190 And you haven't had any further contact with Brechtje? 206 00:17:32,290 --> 00:17:33,290 No. 207 00:17:34,910 --> 00:17:35,990 What time were you home? 208 00:17:36,290 --> 00:17:37,290 I don't know. 209 00:17:39,070 --> 00:17:43,250 But what I do know is that... is that Guy van Esten still has for me 210 00:17:43,250 --> 00:17:46,710 told me that I could do better rush to my daughter, because I can 211 00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:47,710 so it would be too late. 212 00:17:48,730 --> 00:17:49,730 Did you take that... 213 00:17:50,229 --> 00:17:53,230 Note literally? Yes, in the beginning not. But when I thought about it, it started 214 00:17:53,230 --> 00:17:56,590 I panic. I'm home flown. And the fact was that when I got home 215 00:17:56,590 --> 00:17:59,190 came, Brechtje was not there. 216 00:18:01,350 --> 00:18:03,970 So... You come home. 217 00:18:05,530 --> 00:18:06,530 Brechtje is not there. 218 00:18:08,590 --> 00:18:09,590 You call Free. 219 00:18:10,290 --> 00:18:16,190 Yes, that's my best friend daughter, so... Mrs. Palmers had one 220 00:18:16,190 --> 00:18:17,270 cell phone? No. 221 00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:19,230 But I have... 222 00:18:19,310 --> 00:18:22,410 called the family's landline Palmers, because I knew there was one 223 00:18:22,410 --> 00:18:23,570 it was a family party. 224 00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:28,250 And that was at nine o'clock? 225 00:18:29,890 --> 00:18:30,890 Yes. 226 00:18:31,650 --> 00:18:34,130 She had not seen Brechtje either. 227 00:18:36,750 --> 00:18:43,270 Yes, look, the policeman standing up Brechtje had to pay attention, so she had to 228 00:18:43,270 --> 00:18:45,010 observe, it was no longer used up mail. 229 00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:47,750 So I call the local police. 230 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,720 And there they still said the disappearance was not alarming. 231 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,200 You just have it at home one evening slept. 232 00:18:58,780 --> 00:19:01,560 Fri came by and he is stay overnight. 233 00:19:02,780 --> 00:19:03,840 Brecht's bed. 234 00:19:04,340 --> 00:19:08,240 The next morning we are around the house started looking and then we got my two 235 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,240 dogs found. 236 00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:12,200 Tell us a little more about that. 237 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,940 Yeah, so we were looking. I'm coming out of the stable and... 238 00:19:17,340 --> 00:19:19,400 I see Free standing at the fence. 239 00:19:20,380 --> 00:19:24,240 She gestures to me, she shoots into the field and I'm going after it. 240 00:19:25,700 --> 00:19:27,880 So Mrs. Palmers has those dogs found? 241 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,420 Yes, Free saw them first. 242 00:19:32,380 --> 00:19:36,360 They were finished with a firing pin in the head. 243 00:19:37,100 --> 00:19:40,900 What was Mrs. Palmer's reaction? when she saw the dogs? 244 00:19:41,700 --> 00:19:43,260 Yes, he started crying. 245 00:19:44,110 --> 00:19:47,290 She was afraid that Brechtje would also have one of those neck shot would have been finished. 246 00:19:48,830 --> 00:19:52,170 Free then called the police and they took me in. 247 00:19:52,570 --> 00:19:54,510 And she stayed the night with you again? 248 00:19:54,990 --> 00:19:57,730 Yes, I wouldn't have that period without her have come through. 249 00:19:58,770 --> 00:20:03,670 Is Brechtje's bedroom far from the where her blood was found? 250 00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:06,450 The crawl space is next to the room. 251 00:20:06,650 --> 00:20:10,410 To your knowledge, Mrs. Palmers is in that position crawling attic? 252 00:20:10,730 --> 00:20:11,730 No. 253 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,140 But she did have access to it. 254 00:20:14,860 --> 00:20:19,480 Yes, look, that crawl space is just one false wall in her room. But I know 255 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,020 not sure if Fri knew about that. 256 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,080 So, Fri has been staying at your house since 1 January? Yes. 257 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,140 And you two still had one good band? 258 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:32,500 Yes, still, yes. 259 00:20:33,620 --> 00:20:36,640 And what did you think of it when Fri met Stefan got married? 260 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,140 That wasn't talked about. 261 00:20:41,290 --> 00:20:42,890 And when Roosje was born? 262 00:20:44,730 --> 00:20:46,570 Then we saw each other less and less. 263 00:20:47,630 --> 00:20:48,630 Why? 264 00:20:50,450 --> 00:20:51,990 Because I was having a hard time with it. 265 00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:59,690 I would also have liked to become a grandfather. 266 00:21:12,139 --> 00:21:14,240 Six and four, quiet. 267 00:21:15,060 --> 00:21:16,140 Thank you, David. 268 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:18,740 Do you want buns? 269 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,320 Please. Thank you. 270 00:21:41,460 --> 00:21:43,520 That was mom's idea to come here, not? 271 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,240 No. 272 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,180 She says you are having a hard time school. 273 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:55,760 Yes. 274 00:21:56,300 --> 00:21:57,300 And? 275 00:21:59,220 --> 00:22:00,220 Apparently you don't have a boyfriend. 276 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:02,960 And you? 277 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:05,400 Yes, Tom. 278 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:08,560 Dad, Tom is a colleague. 279 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,500 If you don't talk about school, I can not listening to your problems. 280 00:22:23,540 --> 00:22:24,540 I'm talking, right? 281 00:22:25,580 --> 00:22:26,580 You're listening, aren't you? 282 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:29,880 That's true. 283 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:40,600 But you have fifteen. 284 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,920 Dave, you're only allowed ten per serving give. 285 00:22:46,270 --> 00:22:47,890 If I report that, he will fly outside. 286 00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:49,870 Davy is an artist. 287 00:22:54,730 --> 00:22:55,730 And my love? 288 00:22:58,930 --> 00:23:00,570 I think you're new, Davy. 289 00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:05,830 That's why you come here to eat. 290 00:23:09,290 --> 00:23:11,030 Just tell Davy that's not possible. 291 00:23:12,370 --> 00:23:13,370 That's fine. 292 00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:17,370 Well, that doesn't work for me. 293 00:23:19,310 --> 00:23:21,910 I really have no say in that. In not all my life. 294 00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:26,030 I have a lot to say about that. 295 00:23:34,090 --> 00:23:35,210 Mr. Vindervogel. 296 00:23:37,310 --> 00:23:41,530 The autopsy report states that Brettje was six weeks pregnant when she died. 297 00:23:42,540 --> 00:23:45,320 Yes, I learned that after the autopsy. 298 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,640 Mrs Panders, that is right. 299 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:54,600 Did you know that Brechtje was pregnant? 300 00:23:55,300 --> 00:23:56,860 Yes. Oh, Free. 301 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,160 What is that? 302 00:23:58,980 --> 00:24:02,360 But yes, Brechtje had it for me herself said. 303 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,540 But I didn't know until after the autopsy. 304 00:24:05,940 --> 00:24:10,400 Mark, you told me the last one argument with Brechtje about the pregnancy 305 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:11,700 went. Free. 306 00:24:12,460 --> 00:24:13,460 What did you say now? 307 00:24:14,340 --> 00:24:18,660 That's not the reason you two meet saw less and less after the birth of 308 00:24:18,660 --> 00:24:19,660 Rose? 309 00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:27,540 Yes, I think so, yes. But no, me I visited you. 310 00:24:27,780 --> 00:24:29,720 Free, we always had less and less contact. 311 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:30,919 How? 312 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,900 Yes, I wanted to help you with Roos, but you I thought that was too much trouble. 313 00:24:37,010 --> 00:24:40,630 You said that Roos is becoming more and more like Stefan started to resemble. That's not the case now either 314 00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:43,770 really. You couldn't get anything from anyone anymore tolerate. 315 00:24:43,970 --> 00:24:47,290 Free, you couldn't do anything to anyone anymore tolerate. What are you saying now? 316 00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:50,110 You yourself said that if someone too would get close to Roos, that you are serious 317 00:24:50,110 --> 00:24:51,290 would defend. That's not true. 318 00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:54,030 Yes, yes. No, that's not true. 319 00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:08,700 Madam President, you should not do that take it literally, please. 320 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:14,160 I don't think Frije Roos would care do. 321 00:25:34,860 --> 00:25:35,860 What do you think? 322 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,280 I think that Marcus is really getting used to it lying is. Yes? Do you think? 323 00:25:41,740 --> 00:25:42,860 He's a green one, right? 324 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:46,380 He can also do something else with his breath, huh? 325 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,000 Tell me, Guri, what is he thinking about that? he prefers? 326 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,340 Certain about everything. 327 00:25:52,820 --> 00:25:55,760 We're arguing with that bretje, we're in relationship with Free. 328 00:25:55,980 --> 00:25:57,380 But Mark thinks the bird is light. No. 329 00:25:57,820 --> 00:25:59,820 It's just a father hugging his daughter has lost. 330 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:01,840 What do you think? 331 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:03,640 Gosh. 332 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,300 That guy is super busy about it daughter. A bit freaky. 333 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,340 You can't understand that, but you you don't have any children yourself. 334 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,560 Sorry, but I'm really sick of this to be constantly targeted. 335 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,840 Are you going to admit that you're with that one? talked to a journalist? 336 00:26:22,460 --> 00:26:24,540 I'm not with that journalist chatted. 337 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,680 Someone must have been there, Carl. 338 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,040 You know that one, right? 339 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,660 Yes, I know him. But we've been talking for years no longer with each other. 340 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,860 I have a story with his wife. 341 00:26:37,540 --> 00:26:39,120 It would have been nice, wouldn't it, man. 342 00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:41,700 Noëlke, it really makes me feel sexist comments. 343 00:26:41,980 --> 00:26:43,700 I'll just say she's a beautiful woman is. 344 00:26:44,860 --> 00:26:46,260 Karel, have you talked to the press? 345 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,160 No, because otherwise the defense could go to waste Cassassie's weapon steps. That would 346 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,020 he should know as head of the jury. 347 00:26:52,340 --> 00:26:54,960 And now let's start again about that head be the jury? 348 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,680 We shouldn't decide about anyone life. 349 00:26:57,900 --> 00:27:00,840 We are working on how Marc Vindervogel lays his hair. 350 00:27:01,060 --> 00:27:02,060 Karel, please. 351 00:27:02,540 --> 00:27:03,720 Your record stays on, right? 352 00:27:05,130 --> 00:27:06,550 I want a new head of the jury. 353 00:27:07,890 --> 00:27:09,310 What's good about voting? 354 00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:12,290 Who is putting themselves forward as candidates? 355 00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:14,830 I. 356 00:27:19,790 --> 00:27:22,010 Me, too. I am also running for office. 357 00:27:23,090 --> 00:27:24,090 As a negative vote. 358 00:27:26,890 --> 00:27:30,450 I sat there. 359 00:27:31,050 --> 00:27:32,990 In that place where Stefan de Munch now sits. 360 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,640 Then there was such a lawyer there too to criticize my parents, like that 361 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,720 were wealthy profiteers. 362 00:27:41,740 --> 00:27:44,520 Those perpetrators are back after five years released, did you know that? 363 00:27:45,460 --> 00:27:46,480 After five years. 364 00:27:48,660 --> 00:27:50,200 That's fucking little isn't it? 365 00:27:52,780 --> 00:27:55,080 I believe that perpetrators should be punished get what they deserve. 366 00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:59,640 Okay. 367 00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:02,380 Who thinks Karel should have Holly? replace? 368 00:28:05,210 --> 00:28:06,210 Anyone else? 369 00:28:10,250 --> 00:28:11,910 That, I think, has been decided here. 370 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:41,840 Nice ball, huh, Holly? 371 00:28:46,820 --> 00:28:50,560 Jury... That was just sex, right? 372 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,300 Do you want to do that again now? 373 00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:58,240 Yeah, we're not going all the way here now time to start cozy-cozy? 374 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:00,920 I won't dare. 375 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,300 You pay a lot of attention to me. You defends me in the group. 376 00:29:08,590 --> 00:29:10,550 I also have sex with other guys, huh, Yuri? 377 00:29:10,750 --> 00:29:11,750 Yes. 378 00:29:15,870 --> 00:29:16,870 Do you find that strange? 379 00:29:18,190 --> 00:29:19,190 No. 380 00:29:20,430 --> 00:29:21,430 Do you know why? 381 00:29:21,450 --> 00:29:24,370 I have two daughters that I don't care for and I know where my priorities are 382 00:29:24,370 --> 00:29:25,370 lie down. 383 00:29:27,130 --> 00:29:31,970 And my ex also had sex with others guys, so... That's all okay. 384 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,320 Okay, I'll go back inside sometime. 385 00:29:58,840 --> 00:29:59,840 Yes? 386 00:30:01,140 --> 00:30:02,300 Sir, a lawyer. 387 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,160 Shouldn't we speak? 388 00:30:04,380 --> 00:30:06,220 Come on, Friese, come on. 389 00:30:06,740 --> 00:30:08,060 That's not smart, is it? 390 00:30:08,810 --> 00:30:09,810 I had to do something. 391 00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:14,150 Those images of Beast, those New Year's rally that you wanted to leave 392 00:30:14,150 --> 00:30:18,150 see. That guy in black, with his iron bar. I can remember those images 393 00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:19,150 don't remember in detail. 394 00:30:19,230 --> 00:30:20,830 Yes, but look at it again to. 395 00:30:21,870 --> 00:30:24,970 Then you will see how aggressive Mark expresses himself corner can come. 396 00:30:25,250 --> 00:30:26,510 Yes, and? 397 00:30:27,650 --> 00:30:30,430 Maybe you just wanted to be seen will be January 1. 398 00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:32,510 You liked Mark, didn't you? 399 00:30:32,770 --> 00:30:33,770 Yes. 400 00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:36,950 But I never said that I was Roosje would do something to. 401 00:30:37,270 --> 00:30:38,270 Never. 402 00:31:08,899 --> 00:31:12,940 Most people will remember those images still remember. That was quite there 403 00:31:12,940 --> 00:31:13,940 an intention. 404 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:21,540 Maybe you can find the man with the iron identify rod? 405 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,040 That's me. 406 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:25,760 That's you. 407 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:31,200 And who was the one you were with that rod was hitting? 408 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:32,880 Guy Van Este. 409 00:31:33,140 --> 00:31:34,620 Was that self-defense? 410 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:37,280 Yes. 411 00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:39,100 Naturally. 412 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,340 Mr. Van Est has a complaint against you have it drawn up by the police. But that one 413 00:31:45,340 --> 00:31:50,440 has been classified without consequence... because according to the attorney Deskonings 414 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,320 it was not sufficiently clear... who was hit. 415 00:31:55,420 --> 00:31:56,420 That's right. 416 00:31:57,300 --> 00:31:59,060 Fortunately for you, the facts are outdated. 417 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,320 Because you just got a crime here admitted. 418 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:08,800 Can you do that? 419 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,320 Concealing the truth, a little twist. 420 00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:16,960 My theory, Mr. Vindervogel, is the next. 421 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,720 You absolutely wanted to get involved with that action viewer walking. 422 00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:27,880 Because you wanted everyone to see you on that day could see the demonstration. 423 00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:31,780 So everyone would know that you are one had an alibi. 424 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,500 My client is here to testify. Him is not here as a suspect. 425 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,700 It is not up to you, Master Spaak, to do it police investigation. 426 00:32:40,380 --> 00:32:44,800 Master Spaak, please take this into account with this comment please? Thank you 427 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:45,800 yes. 428 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,200 Those newsreels were taken at 2 p.m hour 55. 429 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,120 The images after that, he is no longer there to see. 430 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,260 In the PV's for the rest of the day drawn up by the police, he comes 431 00:32:58,260 --> 00:32:59,119 no longer for. 432 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,400 Ah, you requested that then. 433 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,420 What I can see is that sir Vindervogel no longer at that demonstration 434 00:33:05,420 --> 00:33:10,360 is... After three o'clock in the afternoon. Him so he could have gone home perfectly and 435 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,040 have come up with a plan for that everything at the expense of the ranchers 436 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,520 slide. Man, that got ripped off. 437 00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:16,920 From the pot rumor? 438 00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:19,260 I'm not so sure. 439 00:33:20,180 --> 00:33:22,540 Didn't you argue with your daughter about it? a pregnancy? 440 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,240 We call that a motive. 441 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,480 Not to mention that Valium which was found in the bathroom. Yes, 442 00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:34,420 please. These are pure innuendo. Master Spaak, do you also have questions? 443 00:33:34,420 --> 00:33:37,780 the witnesses who are relevant? I can Don't tolerate this if you are not with it 444 00:33:37,780 --> 00:33:39,340 concrete evidence emerges. 445 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:50,300 Is it true that you absolutely wanted the police would arrest Guy Van Esten 446 00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:51,380 for the murder of your daughter? 447 00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:54,700 Yes, that's right. 448 00:33:55,020 --> 00:33:56,020 Yes. 449 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:01,180 And you were so convinced of that debt... that you would pay a lot of money for it 450 00:34:01,180 --> 00:34:04,360 had to fill the pockets... of police officer Donald van Tonnen. 451 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,540 Mester Spaak must stop this. This are very serious accusations. 452 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:14,800 Can you also make this hard? I just would would like to hear what Mr. Windevogel 453 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,400 has to say about that. You must on this one question don't answer...if you don't have any 454 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,040 can provide direct evidence. 455 00:34:22,940 --> 00:34:24,699 The defense sticks to this. 456 00:34:31,179 --> 00:34:32,340 There is a question from the jury. 457 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,440 Thank you. 458 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,360 I had one more question related to this tomorrow. 459 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:45,260 You said that Free feared that Brechtje too would have been killed with a shot like that. 460 00:34:47,380 --> 00:34:48,940 Yes, that's right. 461 00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:53,060 Does Ms. Palmes have an explicit neck shot said? 462 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,240 Yes, I think so. 463 00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:03,520 Can she confirm that? 464 00:35:04,620 --> 00:35:05,620 Mrs Palmers. 465 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:09,840 That could be possible. 466 00:35:09,940 --> 00:35:10,980 I don't remember that. 467 00:35:12,100 --> 00:35:17,080 What's your point, sir? The injury of the firing pin was at Brechtje 468 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,760 indeed in the neck. But the dogs were not in the neck, but in the head 469 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:21,760 shot. 470 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,900 How could Mrs. Palmers speak then? about a shot in the neck at Brechtje? Hair 471 00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:28,060 body had not yet been found. 472 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,520 Alas, my head. 473 00:35:31,180 --> 00:35:35,880 My client just said that she... I don't remember exactly what she did then 474 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,580 has said. And from Mr. Vindervogel we now know that he likes the 475 00:35:40,580 --> 00:35:44,200 bends the truth a little to his will. Sorry Master Spaak, but that is one 476 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,200 pertinent question. 477 00:35:45,820 --> 00:35:50,380 It may indicate that Mrs. Palmers already betrayed himself at that time 478 00:35:50,380 --> 00:35:54,740 Mark Vindervogel. Because they are with others had knowledge of the perpetrator's words. 479 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:17,640 Hey, Karl. 480 00:36:18,620 --> 00:36:20,920 I have a really good question from you just now. 481 00:36:22,260 --> 00:36:23,660 Thank you. I really like it. 482 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,460 Otherwise we'll go for the rest of the day just leave us behind? 483 00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:32,380 Sure. That's over. 484 00:36:34,180 --> 00:36:35,180 Yes. 485 00:36:35,780 --> 00:36:36,780 See you tomorrow, eh. 486 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,680 I had a super good day process. 487 00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:15,680 Not now, dude. I have mat. 488 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,200 Where is Juliette? I don't know, here it is they don't. 489 00:37:20,810 --> 00:37:23,890 She promised she would be here. She might be in the youth center. 490 00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:28,430 She has to keep her appointment. She I know how annoying I find that. 491 00:37:28,730 --> 00:37:30,990 We agreed that you would let her down would let. 492 00:37:31,610 --> 00:37:34,330 No, you agreed on that. I have nothing said about that. 493 00:37:34,850 --> 00:37:37,710 But she... She said something had better to do. 494 00:37:38,450 --> 00:37:40,510 She promised she would be here. 495 00:39:55,690 --> 00:39:59,010 This is the automatic answering machine from Bulp. She knows what to do and 496 00:39:59,010 --> 00:39:59,749 takes it away. 497 00:39:59,750 --> 00:40:02,270 We welcome a newcomer to the group. 498 00:40:02,610 --> 00:40:05,610 Wouter was the name? Yes. I'll give you something tell more about yourself. 499 00:40:06,370 --> 00:40:07,370 Um, yeah. 500 00:40:08,650 --> 00:40:09,650 My name is Wouter. 501 00:40:09,810 --> 00:40:14,570 And, um... I think I have one have a choking addiction. 502 00:40:32,780 --> 00:40:37,320 Sometimes... Well, I do have a look by. For people who are so alone. 503 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,660 And that is of course for the ASK. 504 00:40:46,380 --> 00:40:52,600 We could do it 505 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:58,140 performance? It's 5 euros. For my doctor. 506 00:40:58,980 --> 00:41:01,180 Juzo, Julien de Stoop. No mass. 507 00:41:01,420 --> 00:41:03,000 So okay, set the list. 508 00:41:04,220 --> 00:41:06,380 Which list? You can enter for free. 509 00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:08,900 Yes, but who has me on that list? ad? 510 00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:10,540 You can come in. 511 00:43:38,430 --> 00:43:39,530 Could that come from Free? 512 00:43:41,210 --> 00:43:43,290 That question about that is more money then Donald? 513 00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:56,210 Or is he being a jerk again manipulating? 514 00:44:03,970 --> 00:44:06,870 Maybe Free doesn't have next after all, me don't know anymore. 515 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,200 Yes, that jury song had a point. 516 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,060 How have I been here for eighteen years? been wrong? That's not possible, is it? 517 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,940 That's not true, is it, Mark? From that had dirty ones. 518 00:44:24,980 --> 00:44:26,180 Stay here from evening onwards. 519 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,960 Yes, stay here. No, no. 520 00:44:31,420 --> 00:44:32,540 Stay here. Let me go. 521 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,360 No, come. No, Mark, I'm out. 522 00:44:34,580 --> 00:44:35,580 Let me go. 523 00:44:36,060 --> 00:44:37,820 But I clap... No, let go!